anyone who knows me…knows that sally mann has been a longtime inspiration. like…HUGE, HUGE inspiration. before i knew any better (in the very beginning of my photography journey), i tried to copy her work. as embarrassing as this is, here is the photo, taken sometime mid-2006 (after purchasing my DSLR jan 2006)…
then i began to learn, grow, evolve and begin to discover the artist that i am myself. and i tried again…to do a candy cigarette photograph in my own way (i loved candy cigarettes growing up). taken feb 2007 and i remember being so, so proud of this photograph…
and then i continued to learn, grow, discover and appreciate…
fast forward to a few days ago. i got to hear sally mann speak…and meet her (even if it was for the briefest of moments). i’m pretty sure i was asking her if we could pretend to be best friends in this picture…or something like that. lol.
to be honest, i dreamt about the day i might meet sally mann, but wasn’t sure it would ever really happen. just kept hoping, dreaming…believing.
sally spoke at university of michigan’s michigan theatre, which was incredibly beautiful. and having grown up in detroit, it was awesome to be back in the area, after 20 years of being away.
sally (can i call her sally?) read an excerpt from the book she is writing and shared a new body of work that will accompany the book. in her work, she is photographing black men. seeing her new work was awesome. hearing the background and inspiration for this new work was that much more incredible. she’s hoping to publish the book and show the work (as 30×40 prints) in the next few years.
the talk was followed by a Q&A session and book signing. i had brought two sally mann books with me to ann arbor, but, to my sadness, i had left them in my hotel room (immediate family was actually the first photography book i ever owned). i asked chrisstina, who was running the show, if she thought i had time to run back to my hotel to get my books. she said, “hurry…run fast“. so that’s exactly what i did. my sickly self ran as fast as i possibly could handle, back to my hotel room — returning in time to be the last person to have books signed.
chrisstina was pretty shocked to learn that the group of us had traveled from FL, NY, MN and canada, to listen to sally mann speak. so we begged, along with chrisstina’s encouragement, to get a photo with sally. all we had were our iphones and light was minimal…but who cares, right?!!
my sally dreaming isn’t quite done yet. i dream to one day photograph sally and maybe her whole family. i dream that i can talk to her more. she strongly discouraged the audience of photographing our own kids, but didn’t expand upon the topic, which i found interesting. needless to say, i have lots of questions regarding the topic.
all in all, it was absolutely amazing — and i am really, really grateful!!
stay passionate, work hard (really hard) and don’t ever give up on your dreams. you just never know when it will all pay off and your dream(s) will come true. :-)
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ETA: there’s been a lot of feedback, thoughts and questions voiced regarding the obvious — why did sally mann discourage the audience from shooting our own children. and i don’t know the exact answer. her statement was a response to a question asked about her book, ‘immediate family’ (although i can’t remember the exact question). most of the Q&A time was spent discussing sally’s new work and the discussion about photographing her own kids was very minimal.
i do NOT think sally meant don’t photograph your children at all!! and i’m pretty confident that her statement revolved around her choice to photograph her children nude, but i just wish she had expanded more on the topic — especially since i, myself, photograph my children a lot and very often, for personal work / projects. obviously she and / or her children were affected by sally’s journey of photographing her children. but i don’t believe it’s as straight forward as that. i don’t think it can be directly applied to me / us, without discussing and considering all the surrounding factors (then and now). i love photographing my children. they are my muses. they are part of the art that i am currently creating. and i feel that i photograph them respectfully. they are always aware of the resulting photograph and they know and are aware of what i share publicly (especially if the photograph is a bit moodier, edgier, etc.).
regarding if there was anything that surprised, intrigued me, made me rethink…
sally mann shared that she’s a bad photographer and a compulsive printer. i had heard her say this before in an interview but it still is a bit strange to hear her say it in person. she was very open and willing to answer any question that was thrown at her. i loved that but wish we had had more Q & A time.
i pretty much suspected, but it was confirmed that sally mann is very private and doesn’t get in public very much or even talk much with other artists. it took something like six years of trying, to get her to speak at UM.
i was a bit surprised that she was reading an excerpt from her book as i had hoped that she would just be sharing and talking to us on a variety of topics (she’s a brilliant writer). i believe that her book is going to be great and in the end, will probably be more informative and educational than hearing her in person.
someone asked her how she found the black men, who were / are her subjects in her new work. she shared that she sees someone interesting in her town and will just ask them. she pays them $25/hour and will typically work with them for 1-1/2 hours. she says she is as uncomfortable as they probably are through the process of photographing them.
i just came across this harvard link, which shows a few of images from sally’s new work. the reading that she shared with us was a smaller version of the reading she did at harvard.





















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What an awe inspiring event–to meet someone you hold in such esteem. I’m confused by the statement regarding photographing one’s own children- she discourages it, or discourages not doing it? I’d love to hear more of the thoughts on not photographing one’s own.
i wonder why she discouraged the audience from photographing your own kids, since her children have been a big source of her photographic work.. but maybe that’s just it– since it has all be shared and showcased publicly, maybe using her children’s image for her work is something she’s now wished she wouldn’t have done with all of the speculation?? interesting and interested to know more of her reason..
I loved your line about staying passionate and never giving up on your dreams –
It can be difficult when your brain is telling you it just won’t work but your heart is telling you not to give up
Thanks deb
What a wonderful opportunity! I had a dream a few months ago that she started a small, rustic sort of bed and breakfast on her farm for photographers to visit. I was so sad when I woke up and realized it wasn’t true.
I was looking forward to your thoughts on hearing her speak. So, wondering, why to discourage photographing your own children? I wonder if it was because she photographed her children nude so often. Wish she would have expanded on that.
Love the cig image you created! Loved those candy cigarettes as a kid too. So happy you got to meet her and hear her speak.
Hx
I just got chills reading this.
You my friend will always be an inspiration.
The part about not photographing your own kids threw me off too. It doesn’t matter how much I adore a photographer, not one of them could convince me to quit photographing my kids. I could quit photographing everything else, but never my own kids who are souly responsible for my leap from nature/landscape/cityscape/etc. to portraits. Hmmm, interesting. Anywho, what an amazing experience to meet her after looking up to her for so long! That’s amazing!
i share the similar sentiments to what’s been written – happy for you to have the opportunity & interested in more of your thoughts from the experience – was there anything she said that surprised? intrigued? made you rethink? interested in more how you feel/felt rather than a rehash of all she said – i guess in other words, if all you thought before was confirmed, expanded or altered. (hoping that makes sense)
I had heard that it took away from her and her children’s relationships, as when they saw mommy all they saw was her camera.. her children were affected by it, over all the years of being photographed.. In her documentary, her daughter seemed a bit off, as she was becoming an actress and needed all the attention the camera gave her.. I think we are all guilty of it a bit being children photographers, as they can be our muses and inspiration and also great practice.. I just really try to put the camera down more and focus on them now more then ever.. I have always been obsessed with sally, as she taught my college photography teacher. thank you for your blog, I loved reading it!!!
so inspiring! i am over the moon for you that this dream came true
xo.
She also had the big deal where people were really disparaging of ER work and classifying it a child pornography
So wonderful for you Deb
I can see how photographing others pushes us beyond our comfort zone, makes us work harder and more creatively sometimes to achieve the same results – with our kids they are our muses, we know their moods, we know how to judge when the perfect moment is to capture what we want to create – it is so much harder to do that with someone you don’t know.
Delighted for you Deb. It would be a privilege for Sally Mann to have you photograph her. And I really do believe it will happen too. Am intrigued about her discouragement of photographing one’s own children… Glad you’re feeling better xx
So strange about not taking photos of your own kids. Must tell you, that I only knew about Sally Mann through reading your blog post you did about her a few months ago, and I’m now fascinated with her work. How amazing to have heard her speak about her art
Life is funny… I also attended the talk given by Sally Mann. I loved how her story telling painted a mental image and how the photos complimented the story. Had I known you were there I would have seeked you out to get a photo with you (and asked if we could pretend to be friends) for you have been my inspiration for the longest time. We are inspired by others but sometimes we don’t realize how many people we inspire.
hi doreen,
i added an ETA section on the sally mann post that shared a bit more re: photographing our own children.
xo
deb
hi pamela,
i added an ETA section on the sally mann post that shared a bit more re: the questions you asked. hope that helps.
xo
deb
hi heather,
i added an ETA section on the sally mann post that shared a bit more re: photographing our own children. hope to see you soon.
xo
deb
hi erin,
i added an ETA section on the sally mann post that shared a bit more re: photographing our own children.
love you friend!
deb
oh chris,
i can’t thank you enough!! i wish we had connected. and yes, it’s hard to put into words the inspiration of the evening. i’m not sure i will ever do it justice. i am forever grateful to have been able to attend.
many hugs,
deb
Hi Deb.
I was at the Q&A too. Sally’s comment regarding photographer kids was in reference to a question about the book Immediate Family and the way Sally captured her kids (ie. nude). It was at this time which she said don’t do it. I don’t think she meant don’t photography your kids at all, just to be careful of child pornography, exploitation etc.
Thanks for sharing this, Deb! I think you’re right about why she said what she did. I think she like many artists is quite shy. I can’t wait for that book! I’ve always loved that ciggy pic of hers too. I live in the deep south and I’ve actually seen young children smoking. Sad.
tx for adding this additional insight and your thoughts – so seriously awesome that you responded so quickly…and will be interested to see if the experience shows up in your work. blessings deb!
hi kim,
yes, indeed her statement was in reply to a question about ‘immediate family’; however, it was a pretty blanket statement to the audience about not photographing our own children. i definitely do NOT think she meant to not photograph our own children at all; however, i do wonder how she would feel about my photographing my children in the water — even though my kids are not nude in the images. i guess, i personally wish she would have shared more or been more specific…maybe saying, just don’t photograph your children nude. i don’t know…i guess because my children are the subject of many of my personal work / projects, i longed for a deeper discussion on the matter. thanks for your thoughts. and i sure hope i’m not misleading anyone.
deb
she has always been my biggest inspiration as well, and the photographs I have taken of my oldest son have always felt in some way inspired by her work with her own children as well. My oldest is my muse and what goes on between the 2 of us when I take pictures of him is (well the only word for it is intimate, but obviously not in an inappropriate way). Many of the images of him he has no shirt on, many involve water (only because water sports are a big part of our life and a time I have my camera with me for personal use) and I must admit that at 17 he is now adamant that I don’t post “my weird pictures” of him anywhere. I think they get to an age where unfortunately self consciousness wins over. Truthfully those images are my best work and I don’t even care that nobody gets to see them but us any more. As he matures many times I have felt that we communicate best through the camera, and I hope that as he grows up even more we will communicate even more the old fashioned way but never loose what goes on when I lift the camera to my eyes… or rather my heart.
Oh Deb! I was looking forward to hearing your thoughts on hearing/meeting Sally. I remember staying on a “Sally” high forever after listening to her in SF. Interesting to hear that she was discouraging of shoots one’s own kids. In SF, she did share why her kids were her frequent subjects living out on a remote farm and being sans clothing was pretty natural. I am sure she had no idea her work would be as publicized as it has been. I was amazed to hear her say she wasn’t a good photographer… her dedicated to her work is incredible and she has inspired so many and at such a deep level.
PS. Love your siggy picture of K!
Deb I am so happy for you and jealous all at once. What an experience. Seriously. WHAT AN EXPERIENCE.
Oh Deb, thank you so much for sharing this with us. It was such a pleasure reading this post and so interesting the things you shared. I hope you found your books! I can imagine the excitement of that day! how jealous!
XO
There was a lot I wish I could have talked to her about and expanded on.
I’m sure if she were to see the photos of your kids in the water she would have loved them! In the end, it’s like Sally said shoot what you love and take chances, just be ready for the scrutiny which goes along with the images. While I stood in line waiting, so many college kids moaned about having to sit through her lecture stating “I don’t even like her.” I was flipping out in my mind!!! Haha.
Deb you are an incredible photographer and I love that you have found such amazing inspiration from Sally Mann. We all need someone to inspire us but don’t question yourself or the work of your family. Your work is truly your own and each one of us has our own path. I follow Deb Scwedhelm because her photographs are beautiful and I love that you share with us what is uniquely you and a big part of that is your family. xo
In her documentary “What Remains” she and her children talk a lot about the choices she made to photograph them and what it mean to all of their lives and her work. It’s a wonderful documentary that reveals quite a bit about the work and life of an artist.
Sally has been an inspiration of mine as well. Years ago when I lived in Seattle I got to see her work at a gallery there. I had only found out about the exhibit three days before it ended and I went every one of those days to see her photographs. They are so striking to see in person. That remains one of the most moving art experiences I have had. I am so glad that you got to meet her.